I didnt care because I was going home, my ticket was already bought but she had to staybehind. Let them suffer from whatever actions they might create for themselves. Johnny Boy, I love you buddy. I stopped talking and listening until they didnt know what to do with me. Scared clutching the back railing. He was from the East Coast somewhere like North Carolina. You will be redirected once the validation is complete. His wife was hot though. Rem me? There are two guys there, large stature and have radios in there hands. I thought this was all behind me but its not. Dont get me started with special needs. I was there in 2003. Anyway love to get in contact with anyone who knows the two I mentioned or myself. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. Sadly there were some parents that used that program because they wanted to ignore their kids or just use the place as an expensive babysitting.. Montana Angler has access to a private ranch in the area and approximately 2 miles of the East Gallatin. They put us in the 4 wheel drive bus again and took us up higher into the mountains. What actual education came from that place? WINTER FUCKING IN MONTANA! Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. work the program or you will be there until you turn eighteen. All the brainwashed nitwits tattling on family moms who broke the rules and were just trying to make our time a little more pleasurable. Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including the world famous 13,700-foot Grand Teton. Take a look. Truthfully, I manipulated my way home, and Im proud of myself for doing it. It seemed like you could be addicted to anything. We didnt steal a car that was a rumor they made up. At first I think its a family dispute but thought it was odd (two white women chasing a young hispanic girl) As I passed by them with my truck I pay attention to every detail I can. Your own little Yellowstone in Big Sky, Montana on stunning 20 acres. Just pretty much running a muck. We were isolated from any houses or people way up there, and didnt have any food to bring with us anyway. Sounds like I never got my resolution from being in this place. 4 bds; 3 ba; 1,933 sqft - House for sale. Is your name nick? Then your going to eat generic count chocula cereal or some bland ass oatmeal without butter or sugar if youre not a level two. I was in innocence. I have apologized to her but not sure she really forgives me. Shout out to unity family in 99 and 2000, to both Patrick S. Patrick M Mike C and Mike R My bunkie Jimmy, big Greg from Virginia while he was in Unity, Andy from Alaska, break dancer Kevin, Karl from Wisconsin, there was another guy that skateboarded I cant remember his name it might of been Mikey. A warm dry mediterranean climate prevails over the forest. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program. Who is this girl? And I will end with this. The land also includes superior water rights. It was cool getting sugar and butter and ketchup for like a week I guess haha. I was one of the only black people in Spring Creek Lodge. Memoir: Thompson Falls Montana While I know there are a lot of bad memories from that time in our lives I also met some amazing people and I would love to find out where life has taken you. Who the hell do you think you are????? As the town of Lewistown grew, the creek, especially sections south of town began to degrade through water diversions for irrigation and power as well as some channelization to straighten sections to reclaim land and mitigate the effects of annual spring flooding. Anybody remember that kid Torrey? People cheeking and trading meds, one guy evwn got caught smoking the one nug of weed he managed to smuggle in using an apple and a lighter he stole from one of the car of one of the many stoners they had working there. I saw her at the desk and heard the door auto lock behind me and two staff members grabbed me. I didnt need to run and hide in bumfuck montana! Goofy from LA. The Chaffin Twins, Mickey, the connection to Utah, Jamaica all the Missoulian news paper articles. After about a year I got tired of not being able to have salt on my nasty eggs. On my survival our only girl Amanda wrecked her knee, like day 1 in Flagstaff so they shipped her out and apparently she stayed at he upper/main/school campus But how dare you discredit these people. The spring creek program was a joke for sure but I say there are some people and effects we would not have known if it werent for that horrific experience. IT FELT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The C Lazy G Ranch, also known in the sporting world as the McCoy Spring Creek Ranch, is located near Dillon in Montana's fabled Beaverhead Valley. I hope Chaffin and Cameron get what they deserve. There were signs everywhere that said private property and no trespassing. When our parents did come into town, the staff put on quite a good show and meal. I went to BOTH of these places! Weather in the Northern Rockies can be fickle and it is always a good idea to come prepared regardless of the season. I was there from dec 05 dec 07. So for any parent that reads this that thinks about sending there kid off to some place you have no clue whats going on. A year later I ran out of money and needed to remove my son from the program. jgraham2862@gmail.com, Thank you Jessica. I wanna say Jason, not sureand there was the guitar playing guy Rich, or Rick (?) When I disagreed and didnt get off of my bunk I was ripped off the top onto the floor by a male staff member. Montana has to pass a law that says, hey, you cant have sex with patients!! anyone who says that shit didnt suck is a lyin son of a bitch. This corner of Montana is limitless when it comes to outdoor recreation, and the Beaverhead valley is home to some of the best waterfowl hunting in the state. They tried to restrain me, prevent me from sleeping, and other methods of unpleasantness. Yeah they kinda encouraged that in our special cases didnt they. By accepting our use of cookies, your data will be aggregated with all other user data. Any body on here go to camas in 06 trying to reunite I was sent there to finish school caught on to the brain washing and soon after staff that shit is about the only thing I said finally got through to parents after first seminar that happened at spring creek which was only time I saw the main facility but had heard plenty of stories of what happened there.if anybody was around camas in 06 hit me up on facebook. I was also in quest. Im so glad that the TV show that was supposed to be based on SCL and Mike Linderman didnt take off. Thank you! That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. Life is good. IG @345_2012, hey, this message is for Amanda, not sure if you were expecting a reply, and late for that matter. I am totally against peer on peer displine because upper level assholes are corrupt as hell. That still haunts me that maybe if I was there I could have prevented it. Got bored and checked out SPL on GoogleEarth. Walk to the chow hall heel to toe dont move your head to the right of left or your Jr. Staff is going to write you up saying you were trying to look at females and lose those points. I was there from fall of 01-March of 02. Click on "BOOK NOW" above to make your reservations for the coming season. Damn that hell hole. I suddenly became a level 5 what a joke. I would like to contact anyone who was in Paradise Cove and Spring Creek Lodge with my son Joshua Lambert 1997=1999 and witness abuse toward him. Cameron Pullan Part of unity and legend families. Im pretty sure you could have ate steak and went to the movies on your own free will whenever you wanted in the free world Im a lil dumbfounded by your explanation of this place. Can you give me more info?? Did you find your magical child? To past survives be well and good luck , Wow, 4 or 5 years before I was there. I can remember countless times when they would needlessly call for support staff and watch as 6 male staff pinned me to the ground. The deed to the ranch, a vital part of the larger Matador Cattle Company, says Koch, but to J.D., it's the only home he knows. If they have religious affiliation they are untouchable. He is literally the reason why I am here today. I made the mistake of crossing the jr. Staff at a facility meeting for abuse and was relegated to level 3 status no matter how much time I spent as family leader and asst. I was there in 2005 at that horrific shit hole add in serious trauma to my life. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. So good to finally find some people who can relate to my experience. Hahayes we called Eugene Little 2Pac I forgot about that nickname. I was also suddenly given an A+ in my chemistry class which WAS SUCH A JOKE. Why do all Program Staff and Program Robots use the same Weird Capitalization Scheme? It didnt start feeling like a cult till I went to my first seminar where you couldnt pass unless you forced yourself to cry. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilderness, the 1,185 acre Nevada Spring Creek Ranch features a dynamic blend of water resources including over 5 miles of a restored Spring Creek, nearly 6 miles of Nevada Creek--a major tributary of the upper Blackfoot River--and hundreds of acres of pristine wetland habitat. Anonymous, 2001 IF they came back, they came back even worse off than before and wouldnt even talk about what happened to themif they talked AT ALL. I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. Redeem available rewards of your choice. Spring Creek Elk Ranch. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge The padded rooms etc was just so crazy. I remember jeff. If I ever go back it will be to burn the place to the ground. He fought up until the end, kept his sense of humor throughouteven when he needed a double lung transplant. Idk if anybody ever looks at this shit anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. I remembered that kiss. Crazy how much time has passed. She is the superintendent for Sanders County, MT. if you were sitting on lower levels for a couple years like i was YOU WERE DOING TIME. Live Water Properties is committed to providing an accessible website. You bet youre asd I do, those anger issued saved lots of lives in the sandbox. I was at the Camas ranch 18+. I am going to be 34 soon and my PTSD is only getting stronger. The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Real deep voice. I almost felt like the staff wanted us to continue to fail. i havent heard the term before. The McCoy Spring Creek Ranch boasts 1,209 +/- acres of pure recreational splendor. I had good morals. Hi out there! @gabsterbanger on Instagram Highway 200 is a backdoor to Seattle and a drug corridor and lots of creeps run that strip because its off the beaten path of I90, less patrolled. The seminars were really the only truly ugly thing about the place. He was only about 15 minute drive from his house also when his dumb ass told his parents where we were so I just said please tell them I dropped u off here and I jumped back in truck and went to a pay phone by air port. The next morning when I discovered the missing glove and found it frozen to the ground, my hand quickly turned into a frozen claw that wouldnt move. He is worse off now than he EVER was going in. Ok so I need some help please, my now husband, Kyle Thompson who is 27 now.. So they probably catered to your needs more by giving you your own trailer and giving you more perks to keep collecting your parents money. Man I used to huff gas at the motor yard. Nobody can say you havent done well. it was so cool that so many people participated, even though im sure you all got in trouble :]]. We considered it warm if it got above 10 degrees. Experience the wilds of Montana on a multi-day horse pack adventure. I didnt talk to my father for 20 years after that day. He was always fair and in one particular incident backed me up for calling out a jr. Staff member for beating on a thirteen year old who had been sent there for being too fat. I was in the Genesis family. What about you? No wonder that girl killed herself. I never got sexually assaulted and am sad to hear that it happened but they definitely made me as miserable as they could when I was there. Contact Us . Moose, Bighorn sheep and Rocky Mountain goat are also found in the area. We planned it last second coming back from eating and we said right before we go back in this building were going to take off for the mountain. What the hell is going on here??? The last thing I said because I was confused at what I was seeing and hearing was. What was all this standing and marching in line? I had respect for my elders. Few places on earth can match the picturesque beauty of the DePuy ranch with the Absaroka Mountains towering above a valley filled with deer, swans, cranes and bubbling trout waters. Come experience a piece of riverfront paradise in Big Timber, Montana. Its been 13 years, I am not mad, its was just a chapter of my life, i am Instrument of God with a loving spirit . that is hilarious! This place was disgusting seriously whoever thought that torturing kids helped them is a horrible person. I was still a virgin when i went there.. That got taken from me.. Hi Anita Have you read the book Come Back by Claire and Mia Fontaine? Seriously hope everyone involved in that places burns. Someone calls back to me that there is another missing girl on the tracks and to call this phone number. Then again I definitely wasnt trying to find anything like this when I got out, and Facebook has done wonders for finding people and talking about all the crazy shit our parents and others will ever get. She always had that resting b#*!ch face. I arrived so fucked up on flowers im the hopes I would die but instead I woke up in hell. The East Gallatin is a technical fishery and spring creek style techniques are often employed. He would take the senior staff out and theyd all get drunk. Luckily I was 17 at my time of imprisonment and only had 10 1/2 months to wait out till my 18th birthday. There have been a disproportionate amount of suicides and other tragedies endured by wwasp detainees. I just found this website and thankful for it. Boasting 1,209 pristine acres of spring creek fishing, wing shooting, and waterfowl hunting, McCoy Spring Creek Ranch is a trophy ownership opportunity. Fishing changes by the week in Montana. I was in SCL for 22 months from 2001 to 2003. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! My married name is lori kinder. More Home About Photos Reviews Follow About See all 101 Nelsons Spring Creek Rd Livingston, MT 59047 1,189 people like this 1,426 people follow this 488 people checked in here http://nelsonsspringcreek.com/ I was in the lovely SCL Eternity family 98/99horrifying! I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. It was scary. I miss the people that were there I miss tge honor among. Chaffin was definitely a creepy dude. Im looking to buy up some land in MT, something with river access. My name is Lindsay and I am from Paso Robles, California. If anyone from Serenity during that time would like to reach out you may text or call me 805-423-7174. If u didnt get anything out of the program its your own doing. luckycage2@yahoo.com, I was there when the place was called Spring Creek Community, I saw a comment somewhere up there from another one from those days. I finally did quit in Sept. of 2004, a month before Karlye committed suicide. if u are ever on this site again, Yes Im 52 and was at spring creek in 83-84 I still to this day have PTSD nightmares and an not on speaking terms with my family. Hey, I remember Danny, Gabe, Eugene, and several othersI was part of the first group (the Genesis family) in January 1996. We went to Discovery in Seattle and stayed on board with the staff. You truly were my only friend j could trust there. And second, you really should look up the people you are defending, and weigh positive praises of the wwasps facilities against the evidence against them: I.e deaths, multiple civil and criminal complaints, govt mandated closures etc. Bullrun Spring Creek Ranch in Belgrade, Montanahttps://hallhall.com/property-for-sale/montana/bullrun-spring-creek-ranch/a091Y000023ocoP/Bullrun Spring Creek. There was an aluminum boat somebody had chained up but no paddles so after busting the padlock with a boulder (took about 45 minutes but I finally did it) I went back in the forest and found some branches to use as paddles. Let me tell u that last hour was the craziest shit It was like a movie because I wasnt gonna get comfortable just sitting around the airport. My moms the only one but Ill never talk to her again. Options include diverse lodging packages, camping trips, wilderness horse pack expeditions, day trips and world wide travel. The Pullans were alsoinvolvedin Camas Ranch, an apparent attempt to remake a portion of the facility into an 18+ program, which failed. I was scared to talk about it till I was in my 30s. I remember working in the kitchen as often as possible because we could cut up and have a good time. I had no Idea where I was taken for months. The Spring Creek Ranch in Beatty, Oregon, is arguably the best value family-sized cattle operation on the market today. Looked like ex cops or FBI, something. I dont know how Chaffin and his brother sleep at night. I was on lockdown; I had no rights and could not leave. $348,500. I was switch after maybe 1 day, if my memory serves me correct to Dignity. I still listen to Tony Robbins and I know the answers on jeopardy when its related to old literature like the Canterbury Tales. Our parents were victimized by Lichfield and company and some continue to struggle with the after effects of sending their kids off to some dark corner of the world to be changed. Now, im a 30 year old man.31 in 2 months and to this day (13 years later) I plan to go back and visit. Hence the name 5mo because I had 5 more years till I was 18 and no one saw me graduating. I was 13 years old and was told was the youngest student there at the time. But the entire time I played along to get out. Simply try to forgive, forget, and move on. SCL taught me that no matter what I will ALWAYS be at fault. I have just for some odd reason been thinking about my time spent in helland decided to google it! Merry Christmas homie I self correct I mean uhh and happy new year. Gavin!!! Are there any accounts of Chaffin or Cameron molesting kids? Also, if you wouldnt mind posting this comment on the Youth Foundation page, more parents would be able to read it before they considered sending their kids to youth foundation success academy. My father had me kidnapped and taken In cuffs to another state where I wasnt legally an adult. I was in Serenity too! Im doing good. The futility of compliance with a nonsensical, arbitrary set of rules where years of confinement are worth more than good behavior led to daydreams or what they refer to as run plans. One time Chaffin hit 3 golf balls into the woods and said if we didnt find all 3 we would all drop to level one. Took a minute but finally made it across the river next was a big ass cliff of rocks that elevated the river bank from the train tracks. Spring Creek Campground and Trout Ranch 8.2 167 Reviews Add a Review Add Photos Owner Managed Page Questions? I came to this site after reading that book, which is very positive about the experience. Their website recommended that parents watch the movie Thirteen to understand what horrible things their teenagers are doing. The real world never has felt normal since. Redfin does not endorse or guarantee this information. I remember there as a cold snap and it was -20 degrees below zero during the day and we had to go to an emergency cabin or freeze to death during a night that went down to -40. I went inside one of the bathrooms and locked the stall and stood on top of toilet seat top so u couldnt see my feet. Well, I cant believe Im reading this as I sit here with my wife remembering the horror stories. As i remember it I was sleeping Sunday morning and a junior staff decided to climb on me while asleep and dry hump me, I kicked him off and of course he tried to punish me. And to think she used to be my favorite cousinshame shame. I drove west back up toward where she might have been and pulled in at Atkins Gas Station. tara I remember you I was in charity too. Hopefully they have since realized what a grave mistake they made and have tried to make amends, and hopefully youve been able to find it in your troubled, eternally scarred hearts to forgive them. I tried for years but he was never the same person he was when he left there. With over 3 miles of productive spring creeks, two fishing ponds and many other wetland sloughs onsite, the outdoor opportunities are endless. I was horrified. The mental and emotional abuse affected me the most. Oh shut up. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. 14 hours ago If you were a student/detainee, I would say the Pullans and. Thanks. My heart goes out to all of you who experienced this place. I recall being kicked out of a seminar and sent to the hobbit with a guy named Mike. It talking to my parents I watched countless times as fellow students were beat and neglected in the hobbit there was one student who they sent to the hobbit every day I hope the kids who were abused win there case if this place was still open I would run up in that camp and take shit over, I was in Thompson falls in 2003 when I was 16 I was taken in the nigh and spent 4 months. All mineral and water rights owned by the seller will convey with purchase.
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